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What To Do About Vermiculite?
10/20/09 at 10:36am
 
What can you do to weatherize a home that has vermiculite present?  The home in question has an original 1947 900 square foot portion and a newer 800 square foot addition that has fiberglass batts and a whole house fan.  The 1947 portion of the attic has two inches of vermiculite present, for an R-Value of about 4.  Because of the risk of asbestos contamination, I can't do a blower door, and I'm trying to figure out next steps.

1.  Can you blow cellulose on top of it or will that disturb it too much?

2.  What do most people reading this do when they encounter it?

3.  Is there a risk that the whole house fan is disturbing it?

Thanks to all in advance!
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Reply #1 - 10/20/09 at 10:59am
 
Hi Frank, I like to do a pre-inspection or at least questionnaire so I don't get involved.  The answer you want might best come from your insurance agent, that's where I started.  I had to bring him up to speed as to what an energy auditor does, but his advice was, I should not be increasing a know exposure for the insurance company to be potentially liable.  If I didn't know it was there and something happened they would cover me.  But, If I know asbestos, mold or other hazards are present and my blower door, advice, or other testing could open up a liability, I should decline the work and advise then to have things cleaned up by someone certified in that area and don't even recommend someone.

I offer a simple walk-through audit, a real no touch option.  That is what I offer them if I have made the trip and feel an obligation to help in some way.

The reality is, you can't feel bad about the "get it fixed" advice, because it will have to happen at some point.  If you can find it, an inspector will too.

Hope that helps

Sorry, almost forgot, tell them to get it tested, it may not be asbestos.
Bud
Another comment.  You should probably advise them not to use the whole house fan as replacement air could be contaminated and no they should not blow in insulation over what is there.
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Reply #2 - 10/20/09 at 12:10pm
 
Hey Bud,
 Thanks for the reply.  Unfortunately, the house in question is one that I'm renting and living in with my wife and young son.  This is my first winter in it and I'm not looking forward to spending my day as an energy auditor and coming home to a house with R-4 in my attic.  I've talked to my landlord about having him help pay for improvements, but that was before I realized that there was vermiculite and that depressurizing it would be a BAD idea.  Any suggestions?
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Reply #3 - 10/20/09 at 1:04pm
 
Have you checked the walls to be sure that is all you are dealing with?

You might try to talk with a removal company to see what is involved.  An attic might not be that bad since it is somewhat outside the living space.

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Have to run but will give it more thought tonight.

Bud

I did a bit more searching and found a very good article on the issue.  It mentions encapsulation, which I have heard of but never researched.  Anyway, here is the link:
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I did suspect you were dealing with a friend or relative, but worse it was you.  And even worse, you are in the business, so it makes it tough to look the other way.  Unfortunately, and the article talks about this, someone will have to fix it sooner or later.  Now that your landlord knows it is there, his backside is on the line.

If I think of anything helpful I will post.

Bud
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Reply #4 - 10/27/09 at 4:33pm
 
If your budget prevents remediation by the professionals you could pressurize the house w/blower door to keep pollutants out of the home while you do your work in the attic and then insulate over the top of the existing vermiculite w/cellulose. If you really wanted to encapsulate it I suppose you could foam over the top of it, but I couldn't really say that makes sense money wise.

If you do have someone suck it out I would still pressurize the house while they work up there, make them access the attic from somewhere other than inside the living space..

I'm sure there are some differing opinions here asbestos is a touchy subject!

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Reply #5 - 03/07/10 at 10:33pm
 
Tough one!

First: According to Wiki (I know iffy) the Feds do not recommend removing vermiculite.  That probably means stabilizing in place. (encapsulating).

Second: I wouldn't pressurize or depressurize. I would have an asbestos abatement make an assessment, including testing, and bid. I would want a testing with the assessment - I don't like the idea of labeling all vermiculite as contaminated. I would not want to be involved with the abatement program.

Third, I would be prepared (at least mentally) to be ready to move if the landlord doesn't want to work with it.

Fourth as I am typing, I'm wondering if the landlord knows - are there many other houses in the neighbor hood with vermiculite?  If he knew or had reason to know - you have a whole different ballgame.

Fifth:  I don't think I would move on this without the Landlord pushing it.  How long have he/they had the house.  They may have recourse.

I don't know about spraying foam over it.  Encapsulating means (to me at least) surrounding.  How do you spray foam on the bottom? <GRIN>

A certified contractor will know these answers and be able to do it right.

John  Smiley
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Reply #6 - 03/28/10 at 8:48pm
 
For vermiculite first have it tested.  Not all vermiculite contains asbestos.  Many local health departments can do the test if not they can point you in the right direction.
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Reply #7 - 08/14/10 at 11:31pm
 
Dito. Not all has the presence of absbestos.
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Reply #8 - 08/14/10 at 11:32pm
 
I know I spelled it wrong.L O L ABESTOS
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Reply #9 - 08/14/10 at 11:35pm
 
I DID IT AGAIN L O L "ASBESTOS" I KNEW I MISSED A QUESTION ON THAT TEST. SORRY.
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